This interview with Jürgen Hornschuh about living with animals should have been part of the 19th episode “worldwide connected - Burden on other Species”, but we haven’t been able to connect technically. So we recorded it afterwards. I am sure it is worth an extra episode. Jürgen is born in Germany and living in India in the town and ecological and spiritual community Auroville. He is working as a farmer and a librarian. He talks about the language he is using to enter a relationship with animals. The Indian attitude towards animals is affected by karma. Jürgen says, they “surrender in the necessity of pain”.